Agree. I made the big mistake to switch from a full sized, but split (Microsoft Sculpt) keyboard on the German standard QWERTZ layout to a fully split ortholinear with 36 keys in Mine-Layout, with Home-Row-Mods pretty much in one go and without taking enough time per day to really train (on AgileFingers or Keybr.com). It took me more than a year to get back to barely acceptable typing speeds but I always had the feeling to be worse off if I would go back and start over.
My advise would be to change only a few things at a time and get comfortable before changing the next thing, but since you are already trying out Miryoku, I can only wish for your success (others have done a switch as big as the one I did without any problems), and to have fun with it.
Yep. I went from 104 keys to the split MS ergo keyboard, to an ErgoDox, at which point I learned Dvorak. I then gradually dropped some keys before building my own 40 key split. I’ve since dropped 4 keys off that to get down to 36, which I’ve been using as a daily driver at work for about a year. I’m just about to build a new split with 24 keys. Really not sure how well it will work, but figured I’d give it a go. Trying to find that balance between too few keys vs too much hand movement.
I’ve been thinking about switching from Dvorak to a better alt layout but I Think that after years of Dvorak and good speed (150wpm), it’s just not worth that minor increase in efficiency lol. I think I’ll be in the Dvorak club for a long time
What would be a better layout? Only thing I can think of is colemak if you’re programming with the semi colon. When I do that I just switch back to qwerty, typing speed doesn’t really hold back my programming speed.
Dvorak is kinda bad compared to other alt layouts. I think the original appeal was that it was built into windows. Or I just picked between colemak and Dvorak randomly lol. There’s a lot of math that goes into developing alt layouts, and a lot of it is personal to your use case.
I don’t have any links on hand. I could probably find some later. It’s discussed on r/keyboard_layouts. Dvorak has a lot of SFB compared to newer alt layouts, and L on a pinky above S is kinda sus lol
I should add that Dvorak is still leagues better than qwerty
@lambchop I wouldn’t call the Miryoku layout bad. I think has some elegance and consistency to it, but I strongly prefer one shot modifiers, which Miryoku doesn’t have room for. I created an alternate layout that includes a sixth column on each hand for rarely-used or optional keys. My “markstos” layout is also in the QMK repo for Corne keyboards. There are several other differences as well! I have a page about it here:
Agree. I made the big mistake to switch from a full sized, but split (Microsoft Sculpt) keyboard on the German standard QWERTZ layout to a fully split ortholinear with 36 keys in Mine-Layout, with Home-Row-Mods pretty much in one go and without taking enough time per day to really train (on AgileFingers or Keybr.com). It took me more than a year to get back to barely acceptable typing speeds but I always had the feeling to be worse off if I would go back and start over.
My advise would be to change only a few things at a time and get comfortable before changing the next thing, but since you are already trying out Miryoku, I can only wish for your success (others have done a switch as big as the one I did without any problems), and to have fun with it.
Yep. I went from 104 keys to the split MS ergo keyboard, to an ErgoDox, at which point I learned Dvorak. I then gradually dropped some keys before building my own 40 key split. I’ve since dropped 4 keys off that to get down to 36, which I’ve been using as a daily driver at work for about a year. I’m just about to build a new split with 24 keys. Really not sure how well it will work, but figured I’d give it a go. Trying to find that balance between too few keys vs too much hand movement.
Ay another dvorak user!
I’ve been thinking about switching from Dvorak to a better alt layout but I Think that after years of Dvorak and good speed (150wpm), it’s just not worth that minor increase in efficiency lol. I think I’ll be in the Dvorak club for a long time
What would be a better layout? Only thing I can think of is colemak if you’re programming with the semi colon. When I do that I just switch back to qwerty, typing speed doesn’t really hold back my programming speed.
Dvorak is kinda bad compared to other alt layouts. I think the original appeal was that it was built into windows. Or I just picked between colemak and Dvorak randomly lol. There’s a lot of math that goes into developing alt layouts, and a lot of it is personal to your use case.
This is the first time hearing someone call it bad, do you have any links explaining why it’s bad compared to others?
I don’t have any links on hand. I could probably find some later. It’s discussed on r/keyboard_layouts. Dvorak has a lot of SFB compared to newer alt layouts, and L on a pinky above S is kinda sus lol
I should add that Dvorak is still leagues better than qwerty
@lambchop I wouldn’t call the Miryoku layout bad. I think has some elegance and consistency to it, but I strongly prefer one shot modifiers, which Miryoku doesn’t have room for. I created an alternate layout that includes a sixth column on each hand for rarely-used or optional keys. My “markstos” layout is also in the QMK repo for Corne keyboards. There are several other differences as well! I have a page about it here:
https://mark.stosberg.com/markstos-corne-3x5-1-keyboard-layout/
#keyboards #ergomechkeyboards
The layout referred to above is Dvorak, not Miryoku. Thanks for sharing your OSM layout tho, I’ll check it out. Always room to improve mine lol :p