I thought I just hated the idea of people thinking they have authority for “reasons.”
No, officer bob, pointing the pistol at my head does not give you the authority to take my money. Just because you are threatening me with lethal force and will likely face no legal consequences, does not actually mean you have the right to demand the money I worked hard at obtaining in my hands. That’s basically school yard bullying. And before you get all bent out of shape, yes, I earned this because it’s not easy to walk out of a bank with everyone’s cash. You just stuck a gun in my face. Hope you feel good with the power trip you theiving bastard.
I think the “hating being told what to do” leans a little toward the ASD side of ADHD. The difficulty dealing with transitions that trigger anxiety and frustration when being shifted out of a routine.
You’re doing what you’re doing and focused on it, in the groove, then someone inserts something between you and the goal you were aimed at and completely destroys your flow.
I bristle whenever anyone tries to say an ADHD feature that overlaps with another thing is “more” that thing. Oppositional Defiance Disorder is like, suuuuper comorbid with ADHD.
I really don’t know why you reiterated what I said while saying I was wrong in some way while inserting a non-normative that wasn’t on the table. I said it leans a direction without being exclusive to that trait. ASD is pretty well known for often having difficulty with transitions. Yeah, it’s all a spectrum and they can all share traits, but there was no need for me to engage in pedantry having to describe and compare each condition, and ODD is a different issue all by itself that doesn’t stop at just changing gears.
I think the “hating being told what to do” leans a little toward the ASD side of ADHD.
This is unnecessary. This is a thing that happens in ADHD. It doesn’t need to “lean” toward something else, and every time someone shows up and tries to say that a trait of ADHD is “more” something other than ADHD it’s downright unhelpful.
There’s some crazy thing like 50% symptom overlap between ADHD and ASD. People with ADHD are allowed to just talk about their ADHD without someone trying to assert that it’s “more” belonging to something else. It’s unfair, and it muddies the waters when people are trying to figure out what they have going on.
It would be like me going to a place where people are discussing ASD and saying, “I think that executive dysfunction leans a little toward the ADHD side of things,” even though both ASD and ADHD can have problems with executive dysfunction.
It would be like me going to a place where people are discussing ASD and saying, “I think that executive dysfunction leans a little toward the ADHD side of things,”
I’m not the person you were talking to…but that would be absolutely fine? People can have more than one thing, and so many people with ASD have ADHD that in my opinion it’s not really like you have two totally distinct conditions. Like you say, there’s a huge symptom overlap and we may eventually discover that they share a lot of neurological similarities / developmental causes.
If you are someone who is trying to figure out what you have going on and the symptoms fit multiple conditions, then it would be totally legit to consider whether it’s ADHD or ASD, right?
I’m pretty sure in 50 years we will see the way a lot of these conditions are classified, ASD in particular, as very flawed. We are lumping so many very different symptoms into one basket that you could have two people with ASD who are completely different, and it tells you almost nothing about what to expect from a person to know they have ASD.
The original question was, “is this a feature of ADHD?” And the answer to that question is yes. And among the people I know (we tend to run in neurodivergent circles if we are neurodivergent ourselves) it’s extremely common as a symptom all across the board.
In a conversation where people are already talking about ADHD, it is better to say “yes, and it can also be found in ASD” than it is to say, “It’s more ASD than ADHD” which is false, whether you’re prefacing it with a feeling statement or not.
I don’t know why you’re still on about this. This is the second time I’ve told you: I did not say it was an exclusive trait to ASD , which for some reason you seem to want to imply. I said it leaned more towards ASD, not exclusive to it.
But seeing as you want to keep digging: The DSM 5 does NOT list emotional dysregulation as a feature of ADHD. However, many legit psychological papers list emotional dysregulation as most likely to occur in combined ADHD (inattentive and hyper types). ASD does feature emotional dysregulation as a feature of that condition in the DSM 5, though it isn’t necessary for diagnosis. Combined ADHD is often a comorbidity of ASD. Ergo, those with AuDHD are more likely to have difficulty with emotional dysregulation, and emotional dysregulation is a well known feature of ASD and is not necessarily part of each ADHD type - hyper, inattentive, or combined.
It’s a spectrum, but one diagnosis type can exhibit more of a trait than another. Like I said, my whole family is non-normative. We’ve been down this rabbit hole.
Someone else replied to me! It’s normal to answer someone, jesus.
But back to the point I made in my last reply directly to you- jumping in to say it’s “more” something else when people are talking about something specific is not helpful when it’s a perfectly acceptable symptom of the thing we’re talking about.
I have no routines. Or maybe I have a routine that’s super haphazard. To normal people it doesn’t look like a routine.
When I get interrupted, on say something that needs my focus and my meds help me focus on, I can switch.
This is not that. It’s not change, it’s not interruption. I find the concept of authority to be meaningless unless everyone plays by the same rules, which clearly is not the case.
So when authority presents itself, I find the most pleasurable response to something obnoxious is being obnoxious. And that’s probably the ADHD part.
You don’t have to have a routine, it can be something that you’re very focused on. ADD and ASD both can have hyperfocusing going on.
Not everyone will have difficulty switching. We don’t all have the same wiring. I don’t hyperfocus, but if someone/-thing shifts me from my path to a goal it can be incredibly irritating, more than l think is “normal”.
Authority (IMO) is difficult because it’s almost always hypocritical, and plays favorites. The concrete thinker views it as “I do the job right I get credit”. The authority rewards the schmoozer who takes 3 hour lunches and cadged everyone elses’s work instead. Or… authority says go do thing. This is how thing is done per training. You go to do thing per standard, but can’t because the correct tools aren’t available or time constraints, or everyone else says do it different to get it done on time. Everyone knows it’s done different without correct tools/procedure, including authority. Thing goes wrong, and authority punishes for not doing thing per procedure even though there was no reasonable way to do so within the limits given.
Authority sucks, but IMO “normal” people are better at playing the game, whereas concrete thinkers reject the hypocrisy or find the schmoozing necessary in office politics difficult and reject it as a reflection of the job at hand.
Anyway. My whole family is non-normative. Everyone’s different. Some things are shared traits, others are unique to the individual. Nobody really fits neatly into a single label.
That sounds more like ODD to me, though Autism sometimes comes with a fierce sense of justice (because things have to Make Sense) and I don’t know your personal neurospicy Chex Mix.
According to the psych the only things that line up well with ASD are my masking symptoms which are indistinguishable from ADHD masking. Well and my generalized anxiety.
The big commonly talked about things- black and white thinking, narrow interests, behavior camouflaging, ignorance of social cues, or flat affect are absent.
Though interestingly my exwife has all of that, and it didn’t occur to me until after we moved apart. She was hot, I was young, young men tend to ignore obvious problems until it’s way too late.
Yes. Though I don’t know how exclusive it is to ASD.
Cognitive flexibility is an issue. If you’re in a flow, say discussing a subject or working on something that has your attention and someone changes or tries to redirect your focus it can be very frustrating and can cause an emotional response.
ADHD and ASD can have a lot of comorbidity. So now you’ve got the ability to hyperfocus (ADHD and ASD both share this) and the emotional response to being forced out of that hyperfocus.
If I was to guess blindly (I don’t have anything to back this up) I’d put my vote on impulsivity thus the ease of irritation when something throws you off.
Is that really a feature of ADHD?
I mean it explains a lot I’m just surprised.
I thought I just hated the idea of people thinking they have authority for “reasons.”
No, officer bob, pointing the pistol at my head does not give you the authority to take my money. Just because you are threatening me with lethal force and will likely face no legal consequences, does not actually mean you have the right to demand the money I worked hard at obtaining in my hands. That’s basically school yard bullying. And before you get all bent out of shape, yes, I earned this because it’s not easy to walk out of a bank with everyone’s cash. You just stuck a gun in my face. Hope you feel good with the power trip you theiving bastard.
I think the “hating being told what to do” leans a little toward the ASD side of ADHD. The difficulty dealing with transitions that trigger anxiety and frustration when being shifted out of a routine.
You’re doing what you’re doing and focused on it, in the groove, then someone inserts something between you and the goal you were aimed at and completely destroys your flow.
It can really be pretty angering.
I bristle whenever anyone tries to say an ADHD feature that overlaps with another thing is “more” that thing. Oppositional Defiance Disorder is like, suuuuper comorbid with ADHD.
We can share some stuff, thankyouverymuch.
TIL ODD is a thing and i probably have it
There is nothing more infuriating to me than when I’m in the middle of doing something and someone tells me to do it!
I really don’t know why you reiterated what I said while saying I was wrong in some way while inserting a non-normative that wasn’t on the table. I said it leans a direction without being exclusive to that trait. ASD is pretty well known for often having difficulty with transitions. Yeah, it’s all a spectrum and they can all share traits, but there was no need for me to engage in pedantry having to describe and compare each condition, and ODD is a different issue all by itself that doesn’t stop at just changing gears.
This is unnecessary. This is a thing that happens in ADHD. It doesn’t need to “lean” toward something else, and every time someone shows up and tries to say that a trait of ADHD is “more” something other than ADHD it’s downright unhelpful.
There’s some crazy thing like 50% symptom overlap between ADHD and ASD. People with ADHD are allowed to just talk about their ADHD without someone trying to assert that it’s “more” belonging to something else. It’s unfair, and it muddies the waters when people are trying to figure out what they have going on.
It would be like me going to a place where people are discussing ASD and saying, “I think that executive dysfunction leans a little toward the ADHD side of things,” even though both ASD and ADHD can have problems with executive dysfunction.
I’m not the person you were talking to…but that would be absolutely fine? People can have more than one thing, and so many people with ASD have ADHD that in my opinion it’s not really like you have two totally distinct conditions. Like you say, there’s a huge symptom overlap and we may eventually discover that they share a lot of neurological similarities / developmental causes.
If you are someone who is trying to figure out what you have going on and the symptoms fit multiple conditions, then it would be totally legit to consider whether it’s ADHD or ASD, right?
I’m pretty sure in 50 years we will see the way a lot of these conditions are classified, ASD in particular, as very flawed. We are lumping so many very different symptoms into one basket that you could have two people with ASD who are completely different, and it tells you almost nothing about what to expect from a person to know they have ASD.
The original question was, “is this a feature of ADHD?” And the answer to that question is yes. And among the people I know (we tend to run in neurodivergent circles if we are neurodivergent ourselves) it’s extremely common as a symptom all across the board.
In a conversation where people are already talking about ADHD, it is better to say “yes, and it can also be found in ASD” than it is to say, “It’s more ASD than ADHD” which is false, whether you’re prefacing it with a feeling statement or not.
I don’t know why you’re still on about this. This is the second time I’ve told you: I did not say it was an exclusive trait to ASD , which for some reason you seem to want to imply. I said it leaned more towards ASD, not exclusive to it.
But seeing as you want to keep digging: The DSM 5 does NOT list emotional dysregulation as a feature of ADHD. However, many legit psychological papers list emotional dysregulation as most likely to occur in combined ADHD (inattentive and hyper types). ASD does feature emotional dysregulation as a feature of that condition in the DSM 5, though it isn’t necessary for diagnosis. Combined ADHD is often a comorbidity of ASD. Ergo, those with AuDHD are more likely to have difficulty with emotional dysregulation, and emotional dysregulation is a well known feature of ASD and is not necessarily part of each ADHD type - hyper, inattentive, or combined.
It’s a spectrum, but one diagnosis type can exhibit more of a trait than another. Like I said, my whole family is non-normative. We’ve been down this rabbit hole.
Someone else replied to me! It’s normal to answer someone, jesus.
But back to the point I made in my last reply directly to you- jumping in to say it’s “more” something else when people are talking about something specific is not helpful when it’s a perfectly acceptable symptom of the thing we’re talking about.
That doesn’t quite match up with my experience.
I have no routines. Or maybe I have a routine that’s super haphazard. To normal people it doesn’t look like a routine.
When I get interrupted, on say something that needs my focus and my meds help me focus on, I can switch.
This is not that. It’s not change, it’s not interruption. I find the concept of authority to be meaningless unless everyone plays by the same rules, which clearly is not the case.
So when authority presents itself, I find the most pleasurable response to something obnoxious is being obnoxious. And that’s probably the ADHD part.
You don’t have to have a routine, it can be something that you’re very focused on. ADD and ASD both can have hyperfocusing going on.
Not everyone will have difficulty switching. We don’t all have the same wiring. I don’t hyperfocus, but if someone/-thing shifts me from my path to a goal it can be incredibly irritating, more than l think is “normal”.
Authority (IMO) is difficult because it’s almost always hypocritical, and plays favorites. The concrete thinker views it as “I do the job right I get credit”. The authority rewards the schmoozer who takes 3 hour lunches and cadged everyone elses’s work instead. Or… authority says go do thing. This is how thing is done per training. You go to do thing per standard, but can’t because the correct tools aren’t available or time constraints, or everyone else says do it different to get it done on time. Everyone knows it’s done different without correct tools/procedure, including authority. Thing goes wrong, and authority punishes for not doing thing per procedure even though there was no reasonable way to do so within the limits given.
Authority sucks, but IMO “normal” people are better at playing the game, whereas concrete thinkers reject the hypocrisy or find the schmoozing necessary in office politics difficult and reject it as a reflection of the job at hand.
Anyway. My whole family is non-normative. Everyone’s different. Some things are shared traits, others are unique to the individual. Nobody really fits neatly into a single label.
That sounds more like ODD to me, though Autism sometimes comes with a fierce sense of justice (because things have to Make Sense) and I don’t know your personal neurospicy Chex Mix.
According to the psych the only things that line up well with ASD are my masking symptoms which are indistinguishable from ADHD masking. Well and my generalized anxiety.
The big commonly talked about things- black and white thinking, narrow interests, behavior camouflaging, ignorance of social cues, or flat affect are absent.
Though interestingly my exwife has all of that, and it didn’t occur to me until after we moved apart. She was hot, I was young, young men tend to ignore obvious problems until it’s way too late.
ASD really doesn’t like hypocrisy. Part of the “concrete thinker” aspect.
ASD being autism spectrum disorder and that flow breaking is an issue for people on the spectrum?
Yes. Though I don’t know how exclusive it is to ASD.
Cognitive flexibility is an issue. If you’re in a flow, say discussing a subject or working on something that has your attention and someone changes or tries to redirect your focus it can be very frustrating and can cause an emotional response.
ADHD and ASD can have a lot of comorbidity. So now you’ve got the ability to hyperfocus (ADHD and ASD both share this) and the emotional response to being forced out of that hyperfocus.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-autism-spectrum-disorder/202108/7-executive-functioning-challenges-people-autism
Simple summaries of some of the traits in the article here regarding ASD.
If I was to guess blindly (I don’t have anything to back this up) I’d put my vote on impulsivity thus the ease of irritation when something throws you off.
Impulsive? Me? The guy who just cut off his own hair because he got bored of it? Never.