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    I just have trouble believing that the probably thousands of people both government and private involved in such programs that no doubt exist across every major power on earth (unless for whatever reason UFOs choose to only fly around and crash into the continental US) have all managed to stay quiet about something of this magnitude for decades (or damn near 100 years if his claim of it starting in the 1930s is to be believed)

    Not to mention that, simultaneously, the government(s) is powerful enough to successfully suppress this information for a hundred years, while some how also failing to keep somebody from testifying about it in a publicly televised congressional hearing

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      I’ve been watching a really good documentary about this and the entire situation is very complex. There’s a combination of active government coverups and false information to confuse the situation. Anyone who finds out too much is at risk of being discredited or killed. You should look it up, it’s very high quality. It’s called the X-Files.

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      They apparently always manage to get to crash sites before the locals do and manage to somehow quickly and quietly extract every little piece of debris spread across several square miles without anyone noticing.

      It’s just not realistic.

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        They actually don’t get there first. When they do get there, they have a mind wiping pen they use to wipe the minds of those who found the crash site before them.

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        AND the fact that an alien species that has the technology to come all the way to earth is so inept that they crash for whatever reason and can’t handle the US government?

        Come on, it’s ridiculous.

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      On top of that, every country in the world would have to be collaborating in keeping it a secret since the US of A isn’t some special place where they uniquely occur.

      Occam’s Razor leads me to believe its yet another conspiracy theory.

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          Think of how many governments don’t have the capability to do anything with a crashed alien spacecraft, know that richer countries are making money off this stuff, know that they gain nothing for handing it over, and just do it.

          Can you imagine Hugo Chavez, or Fidel Castro, or Nassor, or the Kim family just calling up the US and being like “hey aliens are here, want to go get them and cover it up? No of course I don’t want any money”?

          All these pompous dictators just begging for a chance to go on CNN and brag how they stuck it to the US of A. All it would take is one. A single one of them to not play ball. Even democracies would do it.

          190 countries. Most of them hating each other. All of them rivals. With every sorta government you can imagine. And not a single one of them has decided to not play ball. Hell we can’t even get them all to agree on vaccinations.

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            Literally fucking Somalia. Would Somalia do it? What about Momar Gaddafi? The man was a lunatic who ruled a geographically massive country for decades. I don’t know how he’d spill the beans, but he certainly wouldn’t’ve kept quiet. How many coups have happened in the dense jungles of central africa and Southeast Asia as well as the Amazon?

            Then there’s the unwilling pariah states. South Africa and Zimbabwe aren’t small countries. If the US government had been keeping all this hush hush apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia would’ve traded silence and compliance for aid and the arms to suppress the indigenous rebellion.

            Like yeah it’s absurd to imagine all these wildly different countries doing the same thing about this. Like no of course they wouldn’t. And many couldn’t.

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              Imagine if North Korea had a crashed saucer. They’d be parading it out in the streets for the world to see and claiming it could destroy the US with one hit.

              There’s plenty of other countries that would do similar. Hell imagine how much money you could get for scraps? It would be all over the world and everyone would know.

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                Are you really sticking up for apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia? You’re allowed to do that I guess but yikes nonetheless.

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                  That’s a strawman if I ever seen one.

                  I didn’t know black locals killing black locals and making them do things they didn’t want to do was a good thing.

                  Terrorism is terrorism. Try defend the communist killing farmers and tribesmen.

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        On top of that, every country in the world would have to be collaborating in keeping it a secret

        And that’s why conspiracy beliefs always end up including a global conspiracy. It’s like solipsism; the whole world has to be in on the deception or it doesn’t work.

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        On that front, Grusch actually claims that the Pope helped smuggle a crashed UFO out of Mussolini’s Italy to the United States. Never mind that the Pope and Mussolini were allies…

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        I don’t know why you would think that. I don’t think they said how many crashed thing they retrieved, but if they did thousands, hundreds of thousands of flights, there will be accident. Sure, they are way more advanced, but I don’t believe that a 100% success rate can be achieved.

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          Grusch has claimed there have been many crashes all over the world and the U.S. recovers them and keeps it all secret.

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      My question is, if any of this is true, why haven’t we been able to observe any such activity in space? You’d think if there were regular occurrences of “alien” activity on Earth, that all of our planet’s considerable astronomical observational power would observe corresponding activity in the area around the planet.