• Vanth@reddthat.com
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    11 hours ago

    Ages like milk…

    Drink a full glass of milk at every meal. Otherwise, your bones will turn to pudding and you’ll get kidnapped at the mall because you’ll be too soft to put up a fight. Or whatever scare scenarios Big Milk pushed in the US in the 80s and 90s.

    Now everyone’s drinking nut and oat milk because of health reasons and also drinking the milk of another mammal is kinda weird.

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      11 hours ago

      Because drinking “milk” from nuts and oats isn’t weird?

      People have been drinking animal milk for thousands of years so the weird ones are those pretending some heavily processed industry process isn’t weird.

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        “Milk” from nuts and oats is just a word. Call it oat juice, oat extract, make up a new word and call it oat zligbab. The actual thing being drunk is not far from the realm of things we already drink and eat. Getting hung up on it being called “milk” is a superficial and disingenuous argument against it.

        If you want to compare the extremes of industrialized processes, are you familiar with commercial dairy farming?

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        Nut milk is just nuts and water, you can make it yourself super easy.

        Drinking the milk of another mammal after you were weaned is freaking weird and unique to humans and unnecessary and bad for the environment and isn’t done by a significant portion of the world’s population.

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            4 hours ago

            Stupid take is stupid

            One is necessary to stay healthy and/or alive, the other is something the majority of us don’t drink and no other mammal continues drinking even though they all drink it after birth

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              Not the person you’re responding to, but I think that the argument “we shouldn’t do X because no other animals do it” is a bad argument in general and overall weakens your position. Because there are plenty of things that humans do that animals don’t do that are good (like developing and applying vaccines for example).

              There are plenty of other valid and good reasons to promote dairy alternatives (such as health or environmental reasons).

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                In this case it very much is a good comparison because it’s something all other mammals do until they’re weaned and we used to act the same way until domestication. In the grand history of humanity, drinking milk is an anomaly.

                Dining milk isn’t unique to humans, contrary to clothings and dentistry like someone else mentioned to try and back the exact same point you tried to make, it’s the fact that some of you can’t accept to stop drinking it and need to get it from other mammals because of lobbies that is unique.

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          The ability to digest animal milk is literally a genetic mutation that was useful enough to have spread to about 40% of the world’s population. Milk is an amazing source of nutrients and before food was as secure as it is now it was a lifeline during long winters.

          You can talk as moral as you like about your personal preferences but the genetic record clearly indicates that our ancestors needed animal milk to survive. And in today’s society with pasteurization making cow milk safe even in the midst of a H5N1 epidemic in cows it continues to be an amazing source of nutrients, giving a near complete baseline of nutrients for an individual’s diet. There’s a reason schools push kids to drink milk every day and it’s not just the dairy lobby

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            Your said so yourself, the genetic adaptation is present in a minority of the population and these days it’s not necessary in the vast majority of the world since the nutrients can easily be found elsewhere.

            Yes, the reason why it’s pushed in schools is very much the dairy lobby. When Health Canada created the most recent food guide they got rid of the industry’s influence and instead focused on science… Well, dairy is pretty much gone, they only say small quantities of low fat dairy can be part of healthy eating habits.

            https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/

            Guess who was pissed? The dairy industry because it needs the publicity and getting removed showed Canadians that we were just fooled by marketers.

            How does the majority of humans manage to survive without drinking it in school? 😱 Wake up, you’ve been had by a billions dollars multinational industry.

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          I love milk but I do agree with you. Whenever I actually stop to think about it, the concept of milk is pretty damn weird. I feel the same way about eggs

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              I’m not against veganism and I’d probably be at least a vegetarian if lab grown meat was more widely available. I have celiac though so my food options are already limited so I don’t want to limit them further

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          There’s a significant amount of processing going on in nut milk production. Yes you can make your own which is true for a lot of foods but the stuff you buy at the store is heavily processed.

          Just because we’re the only mamal that does it doesn’t mean anything because we’re the only mamal that does a ton of stuff that doesn’t make it weird. It is definitely terrible for the planet but not sure what you mean by a significant portion of the worlds population. I’m pretty sure cheese is in almost all cultures or are you just saying straight milk.

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            Straight milk, lactose intolerance isn’t as much of an issue with cheese so it’s eaten all over the world, but drinking the milk itself is done by a minority.