Youre still not getting it. Yelling at voters will get you literally nothing. If your goal is a future where Republicans don’t control America then you need people to vote Democrat. Yelling at them isn’t going to achieve that. Unless you’re going to go full doomer on me and say that you don’t care what happens anymore, in which case why are you even participating in this conversation?
Blame entirely rests on the democratic party. That is the reality of the broken American political system. No one else is responsible for their political campaign failing to gain votes. They were given warning after warning after warning, they didn’t listen. This is the outcome created by those politics.
I’m not yelling at voters. I’m yelling at non-voters.
And no, no it doesn’t. It’s fun though- leftists, progressives, pundits, etc. always blame the Dems. Republicans have no standard to be held to evidently. And non-voters are always absolved of blame too. We can’t possibly blame the millions of people who decide that fascism or abortion rights or any other thing isn’t important enough to get the fuck off the couch and do the bare minimum.
So yeah- you keep telling them that’s fine. I’m very sure that you never blaming them will mean the Dems will turn it all around on their own and things will be just peachy.
You seem to think getting angry at people motivates them to vote for you lol.
And yeah the word fascism means nothing to the average voter. They don’t even know what that word means. Calling Trump a fascist (which he is) is not a winning political strategy.
She didn’t lose because of non-voters. Nearly every single district in the country shift further red. Even deep blue districts had higher red turn outs. She lost the same way Hillary did. Yes sexism and racism had a role in it, for sure. But they also both lost because of absolutely abysmal campaigns.
Trump campaigned on change. It doesn’t matter what change he was talking about, most people don’t understand the nuances of politics. The whole thing vaguely confuses a lot of people. He was very much “I won’t be like the last guy” and that is a winning political strategy. People understand that their lives have sucked the past 4 years, they don’t understand the nuances of why, but they know Trump said he will change things. Conservative media tells them democrats just lie about Republicans. And they believe it.
We can yell at Republicans and their voters, sure. Just like the other German parties were free to yell at the nazis and the people who voted for them. But is that productive? Does that actually get them anywhere? Do you think the Republicans will change their strategies if we get mad them? Do you think their voters will vote differently if we tell them they’re fascists?
Unless you’re planning on overthrowing the current system of politics in America then you have to some kind of belief or notion that dems can win the next election. So the only people it even comes close to making sense to criticize are the Democrats. This election wasn’t stolen from them. The people voted. The people chose Trump. It was Harris’s one job to be more popular than Trump, to rally more support. She categorically failed at that. Bernie is right about why.
And again- I’m not saying Bernie is wrong or that the Dems don’t deserve some blame.
The point being- non-voters also deserve some blame. Let’s stop coddling those who don’t do anything at all.
Somehow we talk all about getting people to go out and vote and when they don’t, who do we blame? The people themselves who are too stupid, too lazy, or too disinterested to vote? Oh of course not. We use our whipping boy, the Democrats and only the Democrats.
But sure- keep telling them that it’s everyone else’s job to entertain them and that it’s totally not their fault if they stay home. Great strategy so far. 🙄
Yeah, we’re just going in circles here. The assumption being made is that everyone who didn’t vote actually had an opinion and was just “too stupid, too lazy, or too disinterested”. I don’t think that’s the case at all and it’s kind of offensive to even suggest it.
Idk what you mean by whipping boy lol… are you under the impression that criticizing them for things they do wrong is equal to abusing them in some way? They’re some of the most powerful people in society lol. They’re not poor, destitute, honest working Americans. They plan to literally shake a fascists hand as they give him nuclear launch codes and unrestricted federal power. They share the same system Trump does. They benefit from it in the same ways he does.
I’m all for overthrowing the political status quo entirely. Problem is organizing it, getting enough people on board.
Dems were supposed to be what saved us from fascism. They didn’t. They campaigned on doing that and then failed. They deserve criticism for that. Fascists do not care what we think. They will continue their projects with or without our approval. Anti-fascism needs to adequately counter their methods. But properly countering fascism is impossible if you’re a neoliberal conservative. And so thusly we are here. Waiting patiently for the powers that be to give a tyrannical fascist all the power he wants. They go back to their upper class lives, while the rest of us prepare for a new world order.
You’re ignoring the question. You said it was all up to the dems. I say it’s both them and non voters.
You act like non voters had no choice. They clearly did and deserve blame. End of story.
They could’ve helped defeat fascism at the ballot box but didn’t. So yeah, here we are… Because people were lazy. If they don’t care enough to vote for “neoliberaal conservatives” over fascism well …I guess they get what they get.
Youre still not getting it. Yelling at voters will get you literally nothing. If your goal is a future where Republicans don’t control America then you need people to vote Democrat. Yelling at them isn’t going to achieve that. Unless you’re going to go full doomer on me and say that you don’t care what happens anymore, in which case why are you even participating in this conversation?
Blame entirely rests on the democratic party. That is the reality of the broken American political system. No one else is responsible for their political campaign failing to gain votes. They were given warning after warning after warning, they didn’t listen. This is the outcome created by those politics.
I’m not yelling at voters. I’m yelling at non-voters.
And no, no it doesn’t. It’s fun though- leftists, progressives, pundits, etc. always blame the Dems. Republicans have no standard to be held to evidently. And non-voters are always absolved of blame too. We can’t possibly blame the millions of people who decide that fascism or abortion rights or any other thing isn’t important enough to get the fuck off the couch and do the bare minimum.
So yeah- you keep telling them that’s fine. I’m very sure that you never blaming them will mean the Dems will turn it all around on their own and things will be just peachy.
You seem to think getting angry at people motivates them to vote for you lol.
And yeah the word fascism means nothing to the average voter. They don’t even know what that word means. Calling Trump a fascist (which he is) is not a winning political strategy.
She didn’t lose because of non-voters. Nearly every single district in the country shift further red. Even deep blue districts had higher red turn outs. She lost the same way Hillary did. Yes sexism and racism had a role in it, for sure. But they also both lost because of absolutely abysmal campaigns.
Trump campaigned on change. It doesn’t matter what change he was talking about, most people don’t understand the nuances of politics. The whole thing vaguely confuses a lot of people. He was very much “I won’t be like the last guy” and that is a winning political strategy. People understand that their lives have sucked the past 4 years, they don’t understand the nuances of why, but they know Trump said he will change things. Conservative media tells them democrats just lie about Republicans. And they believe it.
We can yell at Republicans and their voters, sure. Just like the other German parties were free to yell at the nazis and the people who voted for them. But is that productive? Does that actually get them anywhere? Do you think the Republicans will change their strategies if we get mad them? Do you think their voters will vote differently if we tell them they’re fascists?
Unless you’re planning on overthrowing the current system of politics in America then you have to some kind of belief or notion that dems can win the next election. So the only people it even comes close to making sense to criticize are the Democrats. This election wasn’t stolen from them. The people voted. The people chose Trump. It was Harris’s one job to be more popular than Trump, to rally more support. She categorically failed at that. Bernie is right about why.
And again- I’m not saying Bernie is wrong or that the Dems don’t deserve some blame.
The point being- non-voters also deserve some blame. Let’s stop coddling those who don’t do anything at all.
Somehow we talk all about getting people to go out and vote and when they don’t, who do we blame? The people themselves who are too stupid, too lazy, or too disinterested to vote? Oh of course not. We use our whipping boy, the Democrats and only the Democrats.
But sure- keep telling them that it’s everyone else’s job to entertain them and that it’s totally not their fault if they stay home. Great strategy so far. 🙄
Yeah, we’re just going in circles here. The assumption being made is that everyone who didn’t vote actually had an opinion and was just “too stupid, too lazy, or too disinterested”. I don’t think that’s the case at all and it’s kind of offensive to even suggest it.
Idk what you mean by whipping boy lol… are you under the impression that criticizing them for things they do wrong is equal to abusing them in some way? They’re some of the most powerful people in society lol. They’re not poor, destitute, honest working Americans. They plan to literally shake a fascists hand as they give him nuclear launch codes and unrestricted federal power. They share the same system Trump does. They benefit from it in the same ways he does.
What would you say to defend those people then?
All those things you say don’t bother the dems clearly doesn’t bother non voters then either. Meaning your criticism should go straight to them too.
I’m all for overthrowing the political status quo entirely. Problem is organizing it, getting enough people on board.
Dems were supposed to be what saved us from fascism. They didn’t. They campaigned on doing that and then failed. They deserve criticism for that. Fascists do not care what we think. They will continue their projects with or without our approval. Anti-fascism needs to adequately counter their methods. But properly countering fascism is impossible if you’re a neoliberal conservative. And so thusly we are here. Waiting patiently for the powers that be to give a tyrannical fascist all the power he wants. They go back to their upper class lives, while the rest of us prepare for a new world order.
You’re ignoring the question. You said it was all up to the dems. I say it’s both them and non voters.
You act like non voters had no choice. They clearly did and deserve blame. End of story.
They could’ve helped defeat fascism at the ballot box but didn’t. So yeah, here we are… Because people were lazy. If they don’t care enough to vote for “neoliberaal conservatives” over fascism well …I guess they get what they get.
Your ability to ignore arguments presented to you and lack of initiative to learn what terms mean is astounding.
By all means, go after the non voters. I’m sure that will defeat fascism. Do you even know fascism means?