So why get mad at someone who’s line isnt the same place as yours?
You can tell at them to throw their morals out the window, or unite with them and demand just a little more than the bare minimum you would accept
Why is no one allowed to ask for anything more than your bare minimum? And why would you risk trump to not help get more?
I don’t logically understand your position, I understand what it is, just not why it’s your position.
Can you elaborate on how this:
just speaking from positions of privilege because they don’t personally have as much on the line. I just find it hard to sympathize with that perspective.
Isn’t applicable to you wanting people to ignore genocide? In some cases where it’s literally their close family over there as the victims?
How about we swing this double edged sword the other way? Why try to alienate women who lost their rights with the overturning of Roe v. Wade because of Trump’s supreme court appointments? Or what about every LGBTQ+ person in the US who is trapped at the edge of their seats because members of the supreme court have stated they’d like to revisit Obergefell v. Hodges, too?
How about all of the kids who are shot to death at school because of unchecked gun proliferation that Trump’s party has blocked attempts to regulate? Or people who are drowning to death in medical and student debt that Trump blocked attempts to solve, while he just has a “concept of a plan” that no one is able to describe?
Or maybe we can look at his previous presidency, when his hateful rhetoric caused sharp rises in hate speech and crimes committed against people of color and the socially vulnerable? The rise in white supremacist/domestic terrorist groups? The election denialism that resulted in January 6? The complete and utter failure to properly manage the Covid-19 pandemic that led to the preventable deaths of millions?
The threat of fascism literally looming over our heads and being told none of that matters because Kamala is no different from Trump in my specific hand-picked list of issues, that’s what I take issue with.
If someone is not willing to do the bare minimum to keep him out of power because they don’t see a reason to vote for Kamala, I have a long list of less-kind words I’d love to say if I didn’t believe in trying to maintain civility online.
Goodness you are a speed reader, replying within 2 minutes and acknowledging the very first sentence I wrote.
I am literally holding Kamala to a higher standard. Everything I wrote is the standard that anyone with half a braincell and respect for their fellow man should understand. Anyone who does not is not worth being pandered to.
You’ll forgive me for being a bit passionate when trying to justify the fact that I deserve to be alive when people are trying to buy and sell my rights during each election cycle, and I am tired of having this debate over and over again with bad-faith actors.
Sorry but I’m gonna be really passionate now: USE YOUR FUCKING BRAIN FOR FUCK’S SAKE!
The simplest easiest way for you to “remain alive” as you claim to care for (frankly I bet it’s bullshit, but lets proceed under the assumption you have failed to analyse the subject from a strategical viewpoint rather than that you’re a disgusting tribalist liar) is for Kamala to change her position, not for millions of people to change theirs and this goes double next election because voting Kamala now “because Trump” isn’t going to solve the problem for the next election since it’s yet another “just this time” that doesn’t change people’s opinion of the Democrats nor does it challange their politics and hence doesn’t change the trend, but the Democrat leadership pivoting away from their trend of getting closer to Fascism (so far only abroad) has long term implications (that will save many lives, probably including yours if your claim is genuine, in the next decade or two) unless they pivot again.
So you should be fighting like crazy for the Democrat leadership to change their stand, and should have been doing it for 6 months already, unlike being an useful idiot like the ones who were defending Biden 6 months ago with exactly the same arguments as you use now, so he felt secure enough in power to send 2000lb bombs to Israel (which the US Military refuses to use because of their massive collateral damage) which Israel used on residential areas in Gaza and Lebanon killing thousands of civilians, so now these people (which might include you if you too were defending Biden like this back then) have the blood of hundreds of children on their hands.
No matter how you cut it the Moral standpoint of “I will not support the enablers of the mass murder of children” is always far above the one of “I don’t want to risk my own life” - even the most disgusting of sociopaths cares about their own life.
So stop preaching the supporting of the enblers of mass murder because “poor me” from the top of that bloody pile of children’s bones which at best you’ve naivelly confused with a moral high horse and at worst knowingly sat on top of whilst supporting your tribe like the worst kind of sociopath.
You don’t get to dictate the circumstances of my life, or that of anyone else’s, to fit your narrative. Doubt me all you want but I am not some crisis actor seeking pity points, and I am incredibly disappointed this is the state that we immediately take when treating with other people.
I wholeheartedly condemn genocide. That is why I am advocating to keep the one person who could somehow make the system worse out of office. This is me using my brain like a pragmatic, rational person, as you kindly recommended.
Yes, I would love it for Democratic leadership to change their stances. I vote in that direction when I am able. Emphasis on when I am able, as that is just not up for vote right now and expecting that situation to completely change in just a few weeks is either naive or disingenuous. The other option is that some unthinkable atrocity worse than anything we could imagine today occurs and tips the scale of public opinion overnight, but that is not an alternative I would prefer, to say the least.
As I have stated a few times in this thread, none of that invalidates the other issues which are also very much at risk of being decided by this election. Even if neither viable candidate is planning to do anything about the atrocities currently being committed by Israel, that doesn’t mean the choices are completely equivalent to others who, in addition to being concerned about the situation in the Middle East, are also concerned about their own survival at home.
It must be nice to just have one problem to worry about.
I’m sorry, how does Trump improve any of the issues you describe?
He doesn’t, neither does Kamala…
So why get mad at someone who’s line isnt the same place as yours?
You can tell at them to throw their morals out the window, or unite with them and demand just a little more than the bare minimum you would accept
Why is no one allowed to ask for anything more than your bare minimum? And why would you risk trump to not help get more?
I don’t logically understand your position, I understand what it is, just not why it’s your position.
Can you elaborate on how this:
Isn’t applicable to you wanting people to ignore genocide? In some cases where it’s literally their close family over there as the victims?
Then why even have this argument?
How about we swing this double edged sword the other way? Why try to alienate women who lost their rights with the overturning of Roe v. Wade because of Trump’s supreme court appointments? Or what about every LGBTQ+ person in the US who is trapped at the edge of their seats because members of the supreme court have stated they’d like to revisit Obergefell v. Hodges, too?
How about all of the kids who are shot to death at school because of unchecked gun proliferation that Trump’s party has blocked attempts to regulate? Or people who are drowning to death in medical and student debt that Trump blocked attempts to solve, while he just has a “concept of a plan” that no one is able to describe?
Or maybe we can look at his previous presidency, when his hateful rhetoric caused sharp rises in hate speech and crimes committed against people of color and the socially vulnerable? The rise in white supremacist/domestic terrorist groups? The election denialism that resulted in January 6? The complete and utter failure to properly manage the Covid-19 pandemic that led to the preventable deaths of millions?
The threat of fascism literally looming over our heads and being told none of that matters because Kamala is no different from Trump in my specific hand-picked list of issues, that’s what I take issue with.
If someone is not willing to do the bare minimum to keep him out of power because they don’t see a reason to vote for Kamala, I have a long list of less-kind words I’d love to say if I didn’t believe in trying to maintain civility online.
Because if instead of spending time and effort trying to convince voters to lower their morals…
We’d be better off uniting to hold Kamala to a higher standard, because then we’d stop trump, and get more of what we want.
I’m not sure what’s confusing about this.
Goodness you are a speed reader, replying within 2 minutes and acknowledging the very first sentence I wrote.
I am literally holding Kamala to a higher standard. Everything I wrote is the standard that anyone with half a braincell and respect for their fellow man should understand. Anyone who does not is not worth being pandered to.
That’s literally the opposite of what you did and that last reply was just insults…
Have fun acting like that, if you’re wondering why more and more people stop replying, it’s because they’re blocking you because of how you behave.
You’ll forgive me for being a bit passionate when trying to justify the fact that I deserve to be alive when people are trying to buy and sell my rights during each election cycle, and I am tired of having this debate over and over again with bad-faith actors.
Sorry but I’m gonna be really passionate now: USE YOUR FUCKING BRAIN FOR FUCK’S SAKE!
The simplest easiest way for you to “remain alive” as you claim to care for (frankly I bet it’s bullshit, but lets proceed under the assumption you have failed to analyse the subject from a strategical viewpoint rather than that you’re a disgusting tribalist liar) is for Kamala to change her position, not for millions of people to change theirs and this goes double next election because voting Kamala now “because Trump” isn’t going to solve the problem for the next election since it’s yet another “just this time” that doesn’t change people’s opinion of the Democrats nor does it challange their politics and hence doesn’t change the trend, but the Democrat leadership pivoting away from their trend of getting closer to Fascism (so far only abroad) has long term implications (that will save many lives, probably including yours if your claim is genuine, in the next decade or two) unless they pivot again.
So you should be fighting like crazy for the Democrat leadership to change their stand, and should have been doing it for 6 months already, unlike being an useful idiot like the ones who were defending Biden 6 months ago with exactly the same arguments as you use now, so he felt secure enough in power to send 2000lb bombs to Israel (which the US Military refuses to use because of their massive collateral damage) which Israel used on residential areas in Gaza and Lebanon killing thousands of civilians, so now these people (which might include you if you too were defending Biden like this back then) have the blood of hundreds of children on their hands.
No matter how you cut it the Moral standpoint of “I will not support the enablers of the mass murder of children” is always far above the one of “I don’t want to risk my own life” - even the most disgusting of sociopaths cares about their own life.
So stop preaching the supporting of the enblers of mass murder because “poor me” from the top of that bloody pile of children’s bones which at best you’ve naivelly confused with a moral high horse and at worst knowingly sat on top of whilst supporting your tribe like the worst kind of sociopath.
You don’t get to dictate the circumstances of my life, or that of anyone else’s, to fit your narrative. Doubt me all you want but I am not some crisis actor seeking pity points, and I am incredibly disappointed this is the state that we immediately take when treating with other people.
I wholeheartedly condemn genocide. That is why I am advocating to keep the one person who could somehow make the system worse out of office. This is me using my brain like a pragmatic, rational person, as you kindly recommended.
Yes, I would love it for Democratic leadership to change their stances. I vote in that direction when I am able. Emphasis on when I am able, as that is just not up for vote right now and expecting that situation to completely change in just a few weeks is either naive or disingenuous. The other option is that some unthinkable atrocity worse than anything we could imagine today occurs and tips the scale of public opinion overnight, but that is not an alternative I would prefer, to say the least.
As I have stated a few times in this thread, none of that invalidates the other issues which are also very much at risk of being decided by this election. Even if neither viable candidate is planning to do anything about the atrocities currently being committed by Israel, that doesn’t mean the choices are completely equivalent to others who, in addition to being concerned about the situation in the Middle East, are also concerned about their own survival at home.
It must be nice to just have one problem to worry about.
Don’t lie to us, you live for this shit.
If you were truly tired of it you would go touch grass instead of focusing on how to be the biggest contrarian in the thread.