This article is a great rundown of Pixar and Disney, but while the latter did publish Pixar’s movies through the nineties and early naughties they had very little creative influence over them - especially compared to what would come post acquisition. Even the four “transitional” films (that had already begun production in 2006) are clearly more Pixar than Disney.
The point is that Disney is famously child/family friendly and that they had influence on the film, thats why a direct reference to suicide in the first 5m is especially surprising: Disney let it happen
Pixar actually being the ones who made it is entirely irrelevant to my point and also incredibly basic film trivia
In general I tend to differentiate between creator and publisher in all art. It would have been a more shocking inclusion had it been a movie made by Disney themselves - at least to me. I’m open to being wrong about how much Disney meddled in Pixar stories pre 2006 purchase though. I can’t say it’s a subject I’ve studied at length. I know there is a book about Pixar but I haven’t read it. Do you have any sources?
It’s also got some somewhat overt Objectivist messaging? Syndrome’s line: “when everyone is super, no one will be.” is fascinating.
Like, you can make an argument that a major message of the film is that some people are born special and more capable than others, and should be alotted special privileges. Syndrome isn’t one of the golden few, and rather than accept that, he attempts to democratize super powers to some extent (although because he’s the bad guy, part of his plan is making money from this).
I love the film, I just get some odd vibes from it at times.
Didn’t The Incredibles have a backstory like that where supes are basically illegal after they caused too much collateral damage?
Mr. Incredible is sued for stopping a man’s suicide and injuring him instead.
In a Disney film.
This is explicitly stated, to the camera, within the first 5 minutes.
Holy shit Disney, you hadn’t “Up’d” us yet, chill
The first Incredibles movie was released two years before Pixar was bought by Disney
And it was Brad Bird working on it, a Simpsons alumni. They always punch higher than usual writers.
Pixar wasn’t owned by them, but they were contractually obligated to be making movies for and with Disney
This article is a great rundown of Pixar and Disney, but while the latter did publish Pixar’s movies through the nineties and early naughties they had very little creative influence over them - especially compared to what would come post acquisition. Even the four “transitional” films (that had already begun production in 2006) are clearly more Pixar than Disney.
Ok? Already knew all that
The point is that Disney is famously child/family friendly and that they had influence on the film, thats why a direct reference to suicide in the first 5m is especially surprising: Disney let it happen
Pixar actually being the ones who made it is entirely irrelevant to my point and also incredibly basic film trivia
In general I tend to differentiate between creator and publisher in all art. It would have been a more shocking inclusion had it been a movie made by Disney themselves - at least to me. I’m open to being wrong about how much Disney meddled in Pixar stories pre 2006 purchase though. I can’t say it’s a subject I’ve studied at length. I know there is a book about Pixar but I haven’t read it. Do you have any sources?
It’s also got some somewhat overt Objectivist messaging? Syndrome’s line: “when everyone is super, no one will be.” is fascinating.
Like, you can make an argument that a major message of the film is that some people are born special and more capable than others, and should be alotted special privileges. Syndrome isn’t one of the golden few, and rather than accept that, he attempts to democratize super powers to some extent (although because he’s the bad guy, part of his plan is making money from this).
I love the film, I just get some odd vibes from it at times.