I guess we’ll never know, huh?

If tomorrow Netanyahu get removed from office, there are probably 10 or 12 other genocidal war-mongers who could take his place.

I agree that the Israeli public is far more split on this issue, but the ultra nationalists have a pretty strong hold on power.

The people are damningly complicit with their leaders and killing others.

It is telling the world a very dangerous message.

Tons of Israelis are critical of Netanyahu and don’t want this anymore than most Americans wanted trump.

Israel has no sober friends.

Why are governments of other countries still supporting this?

Why not? What are you going to do about it?

When Iran joins the war in full capacity, the US needs to give them full attention. That leaves Taiwan open for grabs. Which they also need full attention for. Then there’s still Ukraine and Russia making plays. I imagine if Russia ever wins in Ukraine, and there are wars happening in the Middle East, Taiwan, elsewhere, then they might make a play on the Baltics for instance. So US now has 3 fronts to deal with against multiple nuclear powers. And that is of course as long as the US stays the course and doesn’t end up isolating from the rest of the world.

World wars happened because of a series of alliances pulling multiple countries into a large, singular war. Israel provoking multiple of their neighbors by attacking them and commiting genocide can absolutely draw the world into a war.

Turkey is a NATO member, they might talk a good game, but they aren’t going to act against US interests. The blowback would be catastrophic for Erdogan and Turkey.

how exactly would this go down?

Israeli expansion draws a bigger fish into the conflict. Perhaps they start attacking Syria or Iran more directly. Perhaps they start bombing into Saudi Arabia or Jordan. Perhaps we see another collapse of the Egyptian military dictatorship due to unrest, and the replacement government isn’t nearly as Israel-friendly as the current regime.

Then the US has to intercede. But as the US intercedes in the Middle East, it draws in more countries - fighting breaks out in Iraq to expel what remains of the US military presence, fighting breaks out between Greece and Turkey again as US naval assets are withdrawn from the region, Russia capitalizes on US arms assets slowing down in Ukraine and makes a big push into Kiev. The US has military bases all over the world, so you don’t have to travel far in order to pull off a USS Cole style bombing.

You can see this spiral into a global conflict easily enough. We’re already seeing low-key upheavels all through the central African states, the disputed territory of Kashmir, and the Chinese/Japanese contested ocean territories. When the Primary Imperial Power is engaged in too many fronts at once, that creates a lot of room for the various minor powers to reassert themselves.

Probably China over estimating itself in Taiwan and hoping the US is too bogged down in Israel/Ukraine.

Journalists and UN workers? That’s right, Hezbollah

What a stupid, stupid reason to have to live through another Trump presidency and continue the war, with even more support than ever.

FTFY

Evangelicals like the genocide, brings their death cult closer to its end.

No. It will be so much worse.

Nah, your boy trump promises to end the war in mere hours (with industrial genocide).

So let’s not vote for kkkamala harriss because we care so much about Palestinians.

The thing I find hilarious is Jill Stein had no coverage while RFK was still in contention. Then as soon as the handlers realized he wasn’t going to work they pivoted to the next alternative.

I’m sorry, but this narrative so completely exonerates Biden and Harris for their direct responsibility for risking the election over this.

The notion that Harris is in a bind is an absolute fiction. The overwhelming majority of Americans want an arms embargo with Israel. It has broad bipartisan support, including with an overwhelming majority of Democrats. And in top of that, she chose to not even let a popular Palestinian American lawmaker from Georgia give a vetted speech endorsing her at the DNC.

She is risking this election. That is a personal choice. I hope she wins, but if she loses because she didn’t have votes she made clear she doesn’t want, that is not on Jill Stein, that’s a Harris decision.

A world where Trump gets elected and then assassinated is a world where JD Vance is president of an America that elected Trump and then saw him assassinated. That’s how you get Gilead by 2025. That is NOT something to fantasize about. That’s a hell scenario. And it’s why people who think that there’s any solutions to our problem that come out of a gun are – and I mean this with all due respect – very, very dumb.

And to put a fine point on this: it’s not that this wouldn’t be a bad idea if not for JD Vance. It’s illustrative of how political violence in real life almost universally makes whatever problem might’ve motivated the violence suddenly far worse rather than better.

You mean like when he tried to overthrow the 2020 election by rallying his supporters to march on the capitol?

So you have three options, all having a bad outcome on the most important thing you care about.

One of the options maybe has better outcomes on some other things you care about.

Another option has bad outcomes in almost everything you care about, plus maybe even a worse outcome to your most important thing.

The third option is to leave it up everyone else to pick between the first two.

I know what I’d pick, what will you do?

I agree with all of that. Except for the part about possibly appealing to the anti-war voter if it would help them win. There are some – Biden for instance – who clearly would rather lose than do that. I don’t know Harris well enough to judge.

I think it’s sad that people complain when someone says that they won’t vote for the lesser of two evils. It’s sad because it shows a profound misunderstanding about how democracy is supposed to work, and what they’re entitled to demand from their fellow citizens.

The largest voting block in every election is the depressed voter. And the reason is that our system is constructed to favor a broken two-party system even at the expense of civil participation that can solve our problems. Millions of people don’t vote because they see no benefit in doing so. The problem to be solved is that the political system has failed these people, not that they aren’t showing sufficient enthusiasm to do paperwork to satisfy the demands of people who feel invested in the outcome of elections.

The media falsely claims that each candidate has 47% support when really they each have about 30% support, and a larger number of people have not felt any interest in supporting either candidate. That’s a massive failing in reporting and political process.

Putin is a cunt and Russia’s war of aggression in Ukraine must be stopped.

If I was on Russia’s payroll that should be enough to get me arrested or at least fired.

So either I’m risking my safety OOOOORRRR not everyone opposed to Biden’s support for Israel is a Russian bot. Golly gosh I wonder which one it is

Liberal DNC shills when Americans don’t blindly support a centrist corporate lobby party in disguise:

I don’t think the sarcasm registered in this crowd

You are schizophrenic

Is that a real comment or sarcasm?

Removed, civility.

This is the way.

I think it’s simple election maths within their system. Since they have only the two big ones and they don’t make coalitions, you’ll just screw yourself over since by voting for the best option instead of lesser evil of the two, you’ll get the more evil as result.