• @joelthelion@lemmy.world
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    711 months ago

    We need both. The elite’s footprint is gross and disgusting, but we peasants are far more numerous, so reducing the elite’s footprint alone won’t do the trick.

      • @joelthelion@lemmy.world
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        811 months ago

        This kind of reasoning is why we are not making progress. It’s much easier to hold others to high standards when you’ve applied these to yourself first. The same goes for countries: it will be easier to pressure China/India when the West has done their part.

        • ghost_laptop
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          511 months ago

          No, we are not making peogress because of your kind of reasoning. We need to make accountable to the bourgeois, the rulling class, even if the whole working class reduced its carbon footprint it would still not make a significant change, they must be replaced and forced to change their ways.

          • @GBU_28@lemm.ee
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            -111 months ago

            If all the rich were dead, the “normal folks” would still want 2 day shipping, cellphones every 3 years, non local ingredients, and fossil fuel cars.

        • @McJonalds@lemmy.world
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          11 months ago

          how do you expect people to apply those standards to themselves before they are applied to the biggest sinners? most people don’t even buy how bad it is

          • @joelthelion@lemmy.world
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            511 months ago

            Doing our part includes reducing our consumption. Where things are produced doesn’t matter all that much for this part of the problem.

      • @GBU_28@lemm.ee
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        111 months ago

        Global industrial practices and corporations are the biggest offenders, by far.

        You know who uses all the shit they make?