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    1. ~10% wealthy is stable. Middle class existing is recent. Who knows: pretty well explained in Piketty’s capital and ideology (there are interviews on youtube summarizing the book if you want details.) Basically it’s more or less stable, and the given reason for it differs with each society, so it is a social choice.

    The rest is mostly you having issues reading the graphs and wanting them to show something else than what their purpose is.

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    Searched but couldn’t find a simple overview of why a single parameter analysis like the gini fails. It is mostly a debate amongst scholars (so harder to read), which led to the whole we are the 99% movement when Piketty first raised the idea to the general public.

    Easiest to understand I found was this, showing 2 very different model societies with the same gini, but the blog goes further with an analysis in don’t really find useful of adequate other than this graph.

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      The rest is mostly you having issues reading the graphs and wanting them to show something else than what their purpose is.

      Well, the graphs have their purpose, and readers also have purposes which might not coincide with the graphs’. I can’t speak for other readers but I found the graphs to be unenlightening about whatever points were being made. The blog post about gini looks good and indicates that I need to get a clearer understanding of how gini works. I’ll see if I can read the wikipedia article about gini. Thanks.

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      Thinking about this a little more, that particular example doesn’t seem important. I’d like to know more about the shape change at the high income part of the curve you mention. That would be more significant. It still sounds like you’d get a curve that you can describe with two parameters instead of a single parameter, still not that big a deal.

      Pikkety’s observation was that invested wealth tended to grow faster than the overall economy, if I have it right. So that would give some exponential growth at the high end that’s not present in other sectors. It’s not mathematically obvious to me that this makes the distribution stop following a power law. Maybe it does, either necessarily or as an observational matter, I just don’t see a quick proof either way. It would at minimum change the shape of the Lorenz curve (i.e. change the exponent aka shape parameter of the curve) but that’s still a power law. So I’d be interested to know what economists are saying about this.

      I still haven’t read up on GINI enough to see if it means something different from power law.