Hi,

jlai.lu is the french instance of Lemmy, some user posted this thread 16 days ago : https://jlai.lu/post/11504685, and a flamewar ensued between hexbear and the french, e.g. between happybadger and their administrator here.

Since they didn’t really have any reason to defederate initially, they’re now adamant that they should defederate only because of this discussion, since it proved that every Hexbear&Lemmygrad user is agressive(, as if jlai.lu users weren’t agressive in this discussion as well).
I still find hard to believe that they could defederate on such weak basis, and it does feel like a convenient excuse, but that’s what they’re saying, ask them for confirmation if you don’t believe it either.

They also used a list of post found on /c/MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works as if it was representative, but it hardly counts as an argument, what a stupid situation…

They’ve now pinned this post for 12 days, and the defederation with both Hexbear and Lemmygrad seems unavoidable.
I’ve known this for more than a week but didn’t care that much, yet when talking with them, and especially @Camus here, they/he said that they/he would like to talk to you. @Camus is very patient/nice, and you can look at his number of comments/posts to gauge his influence, probably their most active user(, kind of a french ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆).
Well, to be more precise, he informally asked for some excuses from Hexbear, but my post here didn’t reach them, perhaps because of “r*tard” in my username(, r*tardataire designate someone who’s late in french).
However, more than excuses in the name of others, you only have to show him that we’re not aggressive(, if you have some time, it won’t change much in the end), something very easy/natural to prove for >90% of Hexbear users(, and perhaps >70-80% of Lemmygrad 🙂, it does feel a bit more bitter/serious here, not a criticism).

They have some communities that aren’t that far apart from what could be found on Lemmygrad or Hexbear b.t.w., so it can’t really be said that they’d reject us solely based on terrorism apologia, supporting Stalin, etc.(, even if their “leftist” admin is against socialist countries because our capitalists said that they’re authoritarian).
Staying federated with a french instance would be useless for 99% of Hexbear and Lemmygrad, so if you intervene it’d mostly be on the behalf of current/future french users(, it can be nice sometimes to speak your native language without using an alt account), and perhaps also for Lemmygrad and Hexbear’s reputation on jlai.lu.
If you’re french, and/or simply nice, and want a chat with them, feel free to do so directly under the post or with @Camus.
(Kinda worth mentionning in passing that, currently, their top two posts of all time sorted by the most comments are the ones cited above about this defederation)

Also, keep in mind that this defederation is unavoidable though, if it doesn’t happen now it’ll be next year or the year after. As you know, reddit banned ChapoTrapHouse, GenZedong, etc., and we were quickly banned from lemmy.world and others, so we’ll one day be banned from other “centrist” instances such as the french one. Just like we’d also be banned/censored by our governement if our numbers grow enough to disturb/‘be a threat’.
Furthermore, Hexbear took action, and decided to defederate first without even trying to discuss more calmly. So don’t waste too much of your time either(, but please don’t go there unless you intent to speak calmly).

Thanks for reading :) !

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    17 hours ago

    you define France by…

    Yes and no. You don’t define a Lemmy community or a group of people like that. You may at best define a country, but that wasn’t what I pointed out, nor is it what was stated.

    France by its government, medias, and the propaganda believed by the overwhelming majority of its population, seems like a fair shortcut,

    No. That’s the whole point. Because as soon as that line of thought is cautioned, you only need a drop of social or economic domination to create a racist trend.

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      16 hours ago

      Then is it wrong to say that nazi Germany was bad ? We should say that “some germans were bad” ?
      Once again you’re certainly right to nuance, but could understand why people use shortcuts, and you probably used them as well(, i did).
      I know that not all iranians or chinese or russians are awesome, but i do love their countries, because of their government’s actions, and regularly claim that Iran, Russia, China, the Alliance of Sahel States, and many more countries/federations, are awesome
      (i’d undeniably prefer if the Alliance of Sahel States lived in peace alongside islamists though, nothing’s easy, and i do recognize on the other side that it’s happening on the fringes of the historic territory of islamism, and that we should leave some room for africans to (re)create their own uniqueness that goes beyond any other ideology, ‘one day’/soon perhaps, for now they’re still choosing between “liberalism”, socialism, and islamism, i don’t see their fourth way but it can only be temporary if they continue to ‘make room’&search for it)

      Still a good point/warning though(, even if it’s more for intra-national groups) :

      Because as soon as that line of thought is cautioned, you only need a drop of social or economic domination to create a racist trend.

      Yet if you’re anti-imperialist then you’re anti-France(≃anti-french), just like americans here are anti-amerikka(≃anti-americans), a shortcut to say that you’re against our imperialist actions and propaganda.
      That’s why historically we’re called anti-patriotic, while we’re simply patriotic towards another France than the current one(, and real patriots are internationalists anyway i.m.h.o.).