I know some of you consider this as documented whining. I hear you but won’t stop sharing my opinion and reminding. I recommend continuing commenting on the original post to keep it a bit organized (this post is a link to it)
Update: this thread has gotten out of hand. This is not what I intended, this is not what anybody should want. Let’s leave it at this, for now.
I’ve heard talk of mbin being a fork with more active development, is it getting “ahead” of kbin or is kbin taking changes back from it? No disrespect intended to Earnest, but a single developer probably can’t keep up with all this on their own.
I’m extremely in favor of being able to interact with both Lemmy people and Mastodon people, and I wanted to switch to kbin because it seems like one of a very few solutions that can do that.
Initially I was pretty skeptical of mbin, because as a general rule the “screw the existing maintainers let’s fork” people are usually mistaken about some things, but I have to say having installed and worked with both, I like mbin significantly better. My experience is minimal, and the fork was pretty recent, but mbin fixes some specific things that I had trouble with or that irked me during the short time I was working with kbin. Some significant instances also seem like they’ve switched over to mbin. Having kbin’s “flagship” instance down for like a week didn’t really help either. As I understand it, the mbin philosophy is “let’s fix up the backend and get federation more solid before we do much more in terms of big new features” which I can get behind.
They’re both very rough and early pieces of software, honestly as is the entire Lemmy side of things it seems to me. If you’re interested because you don’t want things like the 0.19 federation breakage, then I am sad to report that you might find broken stuff in kbin / mbin as well.
I honestly have no idea about the drama side of things. I wish all good things for Ernest and I’m happy with the software he 99% created. kbin has some things (e.g. combined Lemmy+Mastodon posts all in one home screen) which mbin doesn’t have, which makes it kind of a shame that they’re being developed apparently irrevocably separately at this point. IDK. Like I say I have no idea about that side of things.
Just my 2c as a person that installed mbin recently and likes it
(Edit: To answer the specific question, it seems like they’re completely separate at this point. They split in early October with no synchronization in the separate paths of development since then, it looks like to me.)
I think this is the most level headed pro-mbin comment I ever read.
If the project could attract and retain more of this energy it would only be a good thing.
You’re making me wonder now what weird shit I’ve wandered my way into
Edit: Welp, I looked into the drama; not enough to really understand it but enough to get a general idea. All I can really say is I want no part of it.
Well I’m not involved so don’t let me put you off it. :)
In broad principal I think a lively kbin fork is desirable.
It is very strange that the people associated with it spend their time doing posts like this one. No matter what you think of someone development style, tracking their behavior like this is fucking weird. Bordering on harassment. And in service of promoting their platform.
Why not announce features and bug fixes like a normal project?
But honestly I am hoping that if some more calm people get mixed up this will cool down.
Agreed, I also hope for this to be the case (and tried my besht to facilitate it), but as you can see you could say that mbin’s community building is …not so great right now.
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Damn a week, that’s like 7 whole days.
This user seems to obsessed… All his/her previous post has been about how kbin is dying and that there now is a new fork of it. 7 days is nothing. As far as I know there are very few developers on kbin, cut them some slack will yah.
Mate, you are a none track record.
Recent posts:
What is going on with kbin - a week has passed with no sign of any life
What is going on with Kbin
Issues with the functioning of kbin.social
Why is kbin so full of empty stuff?
Why is kbin so full of empty stuff?
Mbin is born - Fork of kbin
Looks like the user deleted some of these posts by now… Only two are up. But this is ridiculous behaviour…
That’s because those made up posts were never made, not by me, at least
but still; this is nonsense… one week of inactivity and ur calling someone out for that? Like what?
It’s not one week of inactivity, this has been going on for months. If you want to start a accusing me of things please read into the entire situation first, starting in October, on the kbin dev matrix
It’s not one week of inactivity, is has been going on for months
Looks at 2 months straight of kbin devlogs since October, when the man was having pretty significant personal issues
Not to mention he was: recently sick; tended to financial issues, and personal matters; formalities relating to the project. This isn’t even mentioning that he communicated this in the devlog magazine. Or the fact that he has implemented suggestions multiple times at the request of the community to enhance QoL, and allowed users to have agency in making mod contributions.
You might want to take your own advice. This has also allowed me to revise my earlier statement. You people are actually insane.
I am fully aware, you don’t have to inform me about the situation. Reading the devlogs alone is nowhere near enough to get a grasp of the full situation.
Please link to your previous statement so I can read it. I hope you did leave your original one as well.
You are calling people insane, defaming them without due diligence, think about that before continuing
defaming them without due diligence, think about that before continuing
The irony here is unbelievable rofl you can’t make this up. My previous statement was calling you childish and desperate for attention. Thanks for reminding me of that fact, so I can stop wasting my time. It is very clear you’re not interested in a genuine and constructive conversation.
You are making things up my friend, only the first two are on my part
I mean, I’m all for options, and I’m glad there’s plenty of folks working to make sure there’s alternatives to a single way of doing things, but are still federated.
But, dude, you’re being a bit of a douche here. It’s whatever, as long as mods of this C/ don’t have a rule against it, but just from the casual user perspective, your post is douchey. Maybe that’s intentional, though I don’t think so, and I hope not. But there it is.
It’s weird to advertise yourself like this, just post that you’re welcoming new members for your cool project
If that were my intention, I would. If things were going ok with kbin I wouldn’t have posted this. Or if the chaos in October hadn’t happened
I just don’t get why it’s a big deal, kbin is a beta passion project and forking it is encouraged, why spend your time upset about someone’s project even if it’s chaotic?
I am not upset, if anything I am a bit worried about losing loads of kbin users should kbin.social fail
What’s a kbin?
kbin is federating server product, like lemmy, but also includes the miroblog portion of AP.
kbin.social is the flagship instance of this software.
mbin is the community fork of kbin, made after concerns regarding the original developers restricted development pipeline.
many of us are concerned that kbin.social could go sideways at any time because it seems to lack any communicative management or development.
there are several mbin instances that can provide a near identical experience that are prepared to assist users should hey need a new home.
A list of mbin instances
A different ActivityPub application something like Mastodon+Lemmy in one.
@TheVillageGuy take a look at this post that showed up on my feed along with the present one: Why I started Sublinks: A timeline of events.
It seems like this person had a somewhat similar experience to yourselves in that they were frustrated with the development of lemmy. Some effort was made to contribute but it didn’t work out. The frustrations mounted and eventually a new project was the only way forward.
Same the mbin folks, a chat server was a useful off-threadiverse venue where ideas coalesced and relationships were built. As a participant in mbin do you catch my drift that they are roughly parallel trajectories? I’m not in either community don’t know the details.
But notice how the problems with other people or orgs is only mentioned in that they are relevant to this story. And while it does allude to some problems which were emotionally taxing, the focus on what was done to fix it and the outcomes.
So far the mbin project still exists and I do see people using it. If it’s going to be a long term thing youse should consider how you are representing yourselves. Being a weird Earnest accountability stalker is off putting. If you were doing it on your own behalf it would be a little disturbing. But you so clearly are doing it as some sort of ambassador in order to suggest people use mbin; and other mbin people have said similar things so I am not intending to single you out. This behaviour makes you and by extension mbin seem like a bunch of unhinged petty drama queens. It give a shine to the project as a whole. It is unnecessary. It will continue to have no helpful impact on the outcomes of kbin.
I think it is possible at this point to set a new tone if you want. Try the link, maybe even get to know these folks if you don’t already because I bet it would be productive. Youse are probably facing similar issues with federation. Just need to decide what chat software to use.
This behaviour makes you and by extension mbin seem like a bunch of unhinged petty drama queens.
Personally, there’s already absolutely no way I’m ever going to use mbin, no matter what, just because these people nauseate me.
Agreed, every post I see from them further paints them as very childish and desperate for attention.
Yeah honestly feels like finding a McD clown advertising inside a Burger King…
And every fork gives me the idea of stretching resources further thin.Yeah that makes sense and frankly I was a bit scared at first that mbin wouldn’t last long. But it’s still here and actively being developed. What we have to try to avoid Indeed is forking again.
Your opinion is welcome and duely noted. I am posting this on my own behalf, no others related in any way to mbin are involved
When I have time I will read the link you’ve supplied
However, Please don’t spin the situation of kbin so that it looks like I’m the one causing it or making it up. Reality remains that one person controls the main hub kbin.social and has proven and admitted before that he can’t handle it by himself.
every post I see from them further paints them as very childish and desperate for attention.
Well mission accomplished then, right ¯_(ツ)_/¯
However, Please don’t spin the situation of kbin so that it looks like I’m the one causing it or making it up.
… nobody did…
… you do realize that nobody did, right? Read the post again.
Sure. If you do too.
This behaviour makes you and by extension mbin seem like a bunch of unhinged petty drama queens.
All I know at this point is that mbin seems 99.9% less tempting due to involving people like OP.
That says more about you than about me, really
I’m sure it does to you.
Touché
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So do I
Not entirely, but neither is it extraordinarily healthy either. We’ll see what develops - e.g. maybe its creator will emerge from a binge of programming and it’ll become better than ever.
I still doubt that I’d go back after leaving it though - I waited so very long for it to improve, but it only ever seemed to get worse (performance wise), and it has major structual issues too, e.g. all final-say decisions controlled by a single owner who does not communicate much with the outside world.
In fairness, Kbin was not nearly as advanced as Lemmy when the Reddit protests and migration occurred, so a great deal of catching up was inevitably necessary.
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Are you trying to say a comment from me, or from anyone? My last comment on Kbin was a week ago, and the one before that was three weeks ago. I will probably keep my Kbin account and just rarely if ever use it, as opposed to before where it was the only account I had.
Or if you mean anyone, the Kbin.social server is back up now, so yes it is functional. The owner does not communicate much but he works hard to keep it that way, it’s just that for whatever reason it has major issues, though it is up right now.
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Can we really say that after only 1 week? I say that because from what I can see, the .social server appears to be up and running. Although there does not appear to be much movement on the dev front, all seems to be functioning.
Hello,
Isn’t the original post on this community already?
It is, the entire post is a link to it and I’ve linked to it in the body.
I looked at the kbin git repo, and apparently, it’s not a week, but a month.
https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core
Edit: Misunderstood your post. I thought you meant activity on their git repo.
“Now it seems development has ceased once again and there hasn’t been chat on the matrix channels for over a week. Update: that’s two weeks now” -
https://kbin.melroy.org/m/fediverse@lemmy.world/t/100460/What-is-going-on-with-Kbin
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Kbin is still a thing? Or I guess not…
A lot of people are leaving it due to the interruptions in service, but yeah it still exists.
How much did you pay for kbin?
