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Only one color on that map wanted things to be “different.”
Biden’s polling low, the voters want things do be different… huh, better campaign on doing nothing different! What? They’re saying we’re doing a genocide? Well, better point out that Trump is gonna do a worse genocide!
That’ll be a great message, exactly the sort of thing that makes people excited to vote…
“Democrats didn’t entertain me enough so I didn’t vote.”
Yes. The party needs to be enticing. They lost an election. Shaming voters for not embracing lesser evilism is another mistake the party is making and you’re reproducing here.
At least twice now the party has believed themselves to be assured of victory because Trump is on the ballot. Now they may never have a chance to run again.
OP mentions genocide
Response frames it as entertainment
Yeah, because people should vote on excitement and engagement, not truth … totally doesn’t devolve a democratic process into one of reactionary populisms fueled by false promises. If people want to get excited, they should go to a theme park. If they have a shred of civil responsibility, they vote, specially when things were as bad as they were.
because people should vote on excitement and engagement, not truth
What part of the genocide wasn’t true at the time of the elections?
reactionary populisms fueled by false promises
Like codifying Roe V Wade? Like closing Guantanamo?
If they have a shred of civil responsibility
Civil responsibility is voting for the party that pretends to care about Gazans while carrying out a genocide and funding Israel.
Like not spamming the same comment multiple times and like realizing that the only but quite essential power you do have is choosing between the least worse candidate because the much worse candidate will go the complete autocrat route. I can’t believe how brainwashed some people continue to be to try to argue they have not just doomed Gaza, helped expand Guantanamo Bay, or have endangered people’s right while trying to use examples of how it could have been better as an “argument”.
because people should vote on excitement and engagement, not truth
What part of the genocide wasn’t true at the time of the elections?
reactionary populisms fueled by false promises
Like codifying Roe V Wade? Like closing Guantanamo?
If they have a shred of civil responsibility
Civil responsibility is voting for the party that pretends to care about Gazans while carrying out a genocide and funding Israel.
If people want to get excited, they should go to a theme park.
Welcome to America!
If they have a shred of civil responsibility
lmao
That’s the thing, when most of society laughs at that, the chances of having any sort of democratic process work drop to nothing.
Americans have the most individualist “fuck you I got mine” ladder-pulling-upist culture in the entire world. Maybe someday we’ll have a cultural revolution and come out the other side less anti-social, but in the meantime if you want anything done in this country you’ve got to convince people that there’s something in it for them.
its as simple as this, if you don’t respect democracy, you don’t deserve democracy.
Go vote, or shut the fuck up and accept your fate, those are your two options. Don’t come crying to me when you realized you voted for a fucking loser. Make a better choice next time.
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i mean, it’s also factually true. I still maintain that the dems ran a fairly good campaign. The problem was voter turnout, as it always is, except for 2020, when voting was easier.
Because democrats have an aversion to actually doing things for some reason (primarily age related)
Lol. So many dumb voters who think everything changes for the better overnight if they protest vote and don’t grasp that politics is a battle of voting for the less shitty option so you can take baby steps toward something better.
In the end, all they did was set us back X number of years/decades. Thanks stupids.
politics is a battle of voting for the less shitty option so you can take baby steps toward something better.
Every single time Dems have won since Carter, we have been baby stepping towards something worse. The victories for gay rights under Obama were a brief outlier in our country’s otherwise uninterrupted march towards fascism.
ah yes, unfortunately the alternative to literally hitler, was moderately worse than what i preferred, and therefore, literally worse than hitler, even though hitler literally genocided the jews.
your misuse of the word literally in this post figuratively gave me an aneurysm.
I’m on the couch, literally reading this comment laterally.
thats literally crazy
That’s literally figurative
good
Looks to be on track to setting us back about 90 years and moving us about halfway around the globe.
I’m thinking 150 years, and staying right here…
At which tax bracket do you get to enjoy life now?
If I remember right, things start to turn around somewhere north of 350k yearly.
Oh neat. I’m only 320k away…
This meme is almost a decade old now isn’t it?
It first appeared shortly after he was elected. It needs to be updated to the person burning their house down.
Still one of my favorites
Since the Democrats didn’t give every single thing on the bLuEmAGa screechers wishlist, ofc Trump was the perfect alternative!
Definitely not an example of letting perfection become the enemy of good or anything!
Edit: To whoever replied to me, but probably has me blocked since I can’t see it (only the reply counter) unblock me if you’re going to reply to me, coward!
Uh, that means you blocked them.
Thanks, I never block anybody but sure enough pancakes was on it lol
Protest voters did not impact the results
So… Harris lost by some 2.3 million votes. Collectively, third party spoilers netted over 3 million votes.
Now, we add in the just under 90 million people that chose not to vote at all- and assume that at least several million of those people folded their arms and pouted because something they don’t understand is going on in a place they didn’t know existed a bit over year ago because of reasons that even though has been explained to them ad-nauseam, they still refuse to acknowledge because if flies in the face of their edgy manufactured outrage…
… it’s safe to assume protest votes and non-voting was a tremendous lift in helping trump win the White House.
Harris lost by some 2.3 million votes.
We do not have a popular vote in this country.
we do have a popular vote in this country, the popular vote just doesn’t determine the presidency, it’s the electoral vote that does. Which is an even better argument for why you should go out and vote, because it fucking matters. A lot.
It’s irrelevant when you factor in the 90 million people that didn’t vote. Had a decent amount of them voted instead of pouting at home, they could have made a HUGE difference in the battleground states.
Man if only there was some organization who was given a billion dollars to convince these people to get off their asses
If only these people weren’t so lazy and entitled that they otherwise would. Because maybe that would have motivated them to at least put some thought into the idea that other people live here too.
Naaah… they knew.
And the reason I know they knew is because I was here when we all tried to warn them. When we all TOLD them what would happen if trump won.
But they think they’re owed perfection. Well, they’re not. And now, a LOT of people are going to suffer greatly-
Some already are.
Because of people like them…
Ah, yes, the fediverse, where most people are and they all saw your warning and ignored it.
You have a far higher opinion of the average Americans’s political knowledge than I do.
In 2020 there were just under 2mil independent voters
So 1mil were added
The Dems had 11million votes less than what they got in 2020, the Republicans had 5mil less
We know Democrats don’t change to Republicans, and Republicans very rarely change to Democrats.
(Maybe) the 1mil came from democrat protesters, more likely they came from Republicans who don’t want to vote Democrat.
So either way the protest votes were still a drop in the bucket compared to the other 10million white men/women and hispanic men we can see from the shifts in voter demographics.
Im sorry you don’t like the data I’m observing but we live in a deeply bigoted country and it’s better to try to engage with that and fix it instead of feeling attacked.
Again… 90 million people didn’t vote at all. It’s safe to assume a large portion of them are a result of single issue non-voting protests.
It’s rare for more than half the country to vote.
They aren’t protesting, they’re apathetic
And they’re at fault.
Ok but you understand how you just moved the goalposts like 4 times right?
You can delusionally hate poor people because of a strawman you hallucinated, it’s a free country for now.
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Those idiots didn’t know going into the election that their vote wouldn’t affect the outcome, but they did it anyway.
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Protest voters could conceivably include people who protested by not voting, and they most certainly affected the outcome.
Protest voters were young people, who voted the exact same as every other election. They don’t vote.
If you want to engage with reality and look at the data you would see that the groups that voted for Biden and not Harris were older white men/women, and older hispanic men. Most likely because of the instilled patriarchal values and machismo culture of these groups made it hard to stomach voting for a woman with the same policies as the white man they voted for.
This is the biggest problem, yeah.
Sad truth is that the USA just isn’t ready for a woman president. Too many misogynists (women included).
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I know for sure some people who didn’t vote because of white “leftist” content creators who were working hard all 2024 to smear Kamala and BIPOC liberal content creators. There’s not enough data to measure the damage they did, I don’t see any reason they should be let off the hook either.
You mean the smear like her campaigning with a Cheney?
Face it: The Harris campaign was barely organized and had no idea of how to campaign against Trump. They thought most people would just vote for her, and decided courting marginal Republicans would let them win.
Criticizing the connection to Cheney is just fine, I’m talking about propaganda around how the “liberal media” is overreacting to Project 2025.
And look where we are now: Project 2025.
And it’s not even just about elections or results: there’s no excuse for a very influential white leftist to leverage their power to harass and put down BIPOC creators. There’s no excuse to defend this behavior.
Idk how you justifying hatred of other poor people helps you.
But you do you
You know those white leftists own a lot more capitol than those BIPOC creators right?
You know everyone who has to work for a living is the same right?
The same but not treated the same, America has some pretty brutal privilege hierarchies which makes life more difficult for minority groups, disabled people, and anyone who isn’t a cishet white Christian male.
Which makes it inexcusable for a white leftist with capitol and influence to run harassment campaign against BIPOC creators.
Letting perfection become the enemy of good? Good is funding a genocide?
Also, I’ve never blocked anyone.
Fine, letting perfection be the enemy of not the worst, then.
Now we’re funding a genocide and making life worse for everyone else. Huzzah!
Now we’re upping the funding for said genocide and actively cheering it on.
We protected the Palestinian children by letting a worse candidate win! Yay!
One of Biden’s last acts this month was to approve another few billion for Israel, and Harris said repeatedly she wasn’t gonna do anything different from Biden’s admin. It wasn’t gonna be better for those kids if she won.
One of the first things Trump did was reverse the Biden policy regarding sending 2,000 pound bombs to Israel, and he has talked about “clearing out” Gaza. Trump’s policies are already objectively worse.
Yeah, duh. Of course he’s worse on this.
But it’s silly to act like “His version of the genocide is worse than our version of the genocide” is anything but a fucking exhausting and demoralizing conversation
Yup, it’s pretty outstanding. We’re a nation of gullible, hateful idiots it seems.
My b, you somehow got blocked on accident as I also never block anybody.
Anyways
Good is funding a genocide?
There was keeping the status quo at worse (Harris) and then there was throwing the dial to 11 and opening new potential genocide fronts right here in America! (Trump)
Oh no worries, I probably said something stupid at some point.
I completely agree with everything you’re saying except that the Harris campaign was good. There were no good choices this election, there was just an objectively wrong one. I voted for Harris anyway because trump is obviously worse by far, I think I’m just still pissed at her milquetoast center right campaign.
As a fellow reluctant Harris voter, I wonder if people like them think that anyone who criticized Harris/the campaign didn’t vote. I know A LOT of hardcore leftists that are left of even me and every one of them voted. Some would maybe not say it out loud in a group, but they all did just in case Trump had the votes lol. It’s a shame they sacrificed their morals not only for Harris to lose, but now they’re also being blamed for it. If people had anti lib energy the way they had anti leftist energy, we’d have M4A by now lol.
Good is funding a genocide?
Keeping your most important ally in the Middle East isn’t about good or bad. It’s simply necessary.
Now we have a worse “genocider”.
You aren’t just voting for the person to have power. You’re voting for their party to have power. It wasn’t just about Joe Biden or Kamala Harris.
And in case you didn’t notice, we’ve got some pretty serious issues here at home to be focusing on and taking into account when we vote. Palestinians are simply not at the top of my list.
Palestine is at the top (or near the top, anyways) of my list and…
I voted for Harris. Ignoring a genocide is bad, yes, but cheering it on is worse. I don’t think anyone in Gaza was cheering when they heard the news Trump was elected.
I think people don’t understand that (under the fptp voting system) voting isn’t some kind of stamp of approval. You can still criticize someone you vote for. Voting is harm reduction, plain and simple.
Things would have been much worse with Harris though.
Clown comment.
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Even as someone who didn’t vote Harris, this opinion is objectively wrong
Then why did not vote for her?
Because he’s an accelerationist who believes that things getting much worse is a way to spark the revolution and overthrow of American Capital.
Yeah well if that’s the case fuck him I’m not fighting in a deadly revolution because his type dragged me into a hell world.
Well yes this is true, but the reason I didn’t support Harris was because I supported Claudia. If there literally were no options besides Harris and Trump I would have begrudgingly supported democrats, but thank god we have other options.
Have you heard of the powerball lottery being referred to as a “stupid tax”? People play the Powerball for hopes and feelings and vibes, usually not understanding how infinitesimally small their odds are. They’re not going to win, they’re just throwing money away to feel better.
You still have better odds of winning the Powerball than Claudia had of winning the general election. It’s gonna come out sounding harsh but that’s the reality of it.
Supported Claudia de la Cruz, I didn’t agree with everything she campaigned on, but she pushed for big ideas I’m interested in: https://votesocialist2024.com/our-program
I’m sure you’ve heard this before but doing that under a first past the post voting system was painfully stupid.
And before you say I’m rude or causing a break down in leftist unity by calling you stupid: I’m not going to dance around my honest thoughts anymore. I don’t care what happens anymore. My political tact has left my body because the world is probably fucking doomed now anyway so who cares.
Wow that was almost self-aware.
Landed a real beut with that one, lol.
I can’t believe you said the thing I supported!
Go back to reddit
Go back to xkcd.
If you want anyways I don’t think I have the right to tell you what you should or shouldn’t do.
I am not Randall Munroe.
My apologies you’re a splitting image.
My apologies you’re a splitting image.
Wrong again. It’s spitting image
https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/spitting-image-origin-meaning
You linked spitting image but I wrote splitting image as in if the image was splitten.
I understand it’s an easy mistake to make!
You know it’s completely reasonable and rational to accept you were wrong about a thing even if you hold true to other concepts that may not have a singular answer?
Trying to change reality completely to entertain yourself just makes you the fool and not a person many will bend an ear to, or take with any credibility.
You linked spitting image but I wrote splitting image as in if the image was splitten.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_Image
The comic book?
Go burn in hell.
It’s SatansMaggotyCumFart. He’s being sarcastic as always
is this guy supposed to be some lemmy celebrity like flyingsquid?
More or less. He’s quite prolific.
So we have this weirdo being just completely wrong on purpose and then FlyingSquid who is going around right now saying everyone’s telling them to commit suicide and that they are a moron to be listened to.
Lemmy sure does have such heroes to look up to.
Maybe the issue here is that you’re assuming that these people are considered heroes by anyone to begin with. Just because they post a lot, doesn’t mean anyone looks to them as anything more than what they are.
Content contributors.
A celebrity is someone who is celebrated. Generally positive connotation there.
I think we just then need a different word for someone who gives a lot of people something to talk about whether it is good or bad.
“Celebrity” just means “a famous person,” regardless of the origin of the word. It doesn’t necessarily mean they’re actually celebrated by anyone.
They’re well-known regulars. How individual people think of them is another matter.
I’m commenting on the use of celebrity there. I understand that people are not cohesive in their views but it still stands that those are 2 weird reasons to stand out.
It’s a joke. Ha ha.
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Copy that.
Why u think so?
Well I was told she was a genocide enabling agent of the status quo and if we withhold our votes she’d come crawling back over to us with universal basic income and single payer healthcare.
Why do you never use the /s? lol changed to updoot
I respect the intelligence of my target audience.
^ This is the way.
Maybe you should be running these kind of posts through a SpongeBob mock generator
Fam you should frequent !chadmctruthstruth@lemmy.world
They kind of seem like an asshole.
I think maybe they’re trying to parody the clueless conservative take?
It’s cringe whatever it is.
Understandable, unfortunately a lot of the bLuEmAGa folk say the same things unironically lmao though I should have known since it wasn’t a 3 paragraph essay on it lol
If you subscribe to my YouTube channel I have twelve hour interviews with people like Jordan Peterson about these topics.
lmao
